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Ron, I  think you make a very strong argument for not voting for the lesser of two evils, and even address the issue of whether at least people of the global majority livindhere in the US, and especially American Blacks and undocumented immigrants facing mass deportation under Trump might feel that there are more pressing concerns than ending the war in Ukraine. They may.well feel that preventing a man with a lifetime history of racism and racist oppression whose three Supreme Court nominations assure that a Trump administration and a Trump-dominated Congress would reverse a century of gains for them — meaning loss of voting rights, an end to diversity hiring, in school admissions, etc. and a brutal pursuit, imprisonment and deportation of millions of immigrants.It is an appalling prospect akin to the dark days following the British partition of India or More recently Myanmar’s expulsion of the Rohingya people.

Furthermore, while I agree that “lesser-evil” voting by liberals and even many leftists over decades has stymied the development of any serious left political movement able to challenge to the one-capitalist-party duopoly in the US, As someone who has voted third party in the past a number of times (including I’m sorry to say in 2016 while living in Pennsylvania which Trump won the electoral votes of by just 0.7%), I believe that this particular election is qualitatively different from all earlier ones back to the era of the New Deal.

Donald Trump in his second term, should his election bring with it Republican control of both houses of Congress, and with a Supreme Court super majority not only already in his pocket, but having shown this past week that it is ready to make him immune from prosecution, a court that is ready to end any limits on presidential power, and that has demonstrated itself itself ready and willing to end voting rights for many Americans, we are actually facing the prospect of a real fascist dictatorship in this country.

Furthermore, with Trump talking about having police shoot protesters, and even about calling in federal troops to attack protesters (as he notoriously did in Portland in his first term)this, the alternative leftist strategy of resisting in the streets as an alternative to voting for a Democrat will be more like what people in the Philippines and in Latin America have had to do to oust fascists.

The other problem is that while, as you say, there are third party and independent candidates for those who want to avoid voting Democratic, there is no real left organization with significant political power in the US. And just voting for one such tiny party — even if all leftists settled on one — would not amount to anything.

I will not have the stomach to vote for Biden, if he manages to stay a candidate, or probably for any alternative candidate the Democratic leadership turns to, if that person says she or he will continue to arm a genocidal Israel. I also certainly cannot vote for Trump, a convicted rapist and abuser of women, a life-long racist and a massively corrupt person, who by the way will back Israel to the hilt and then, after Gaza is totally destroyed and its inhabitants killed or driven into the Egyptian desert, will help his son in law turn Gaza into a playground for the super-rich like Dubai.

Having spent most of your life in the US, Ron where you courageously fought for years against all of the US’s evils, I know that you are aware of the depth of the problems here and the challenge we on the left have trying to organize and arouse the US masses to rise up and fight for something better, including a real democracy. (Half or more of the working class in this country votes against their own interests, focussing instead on single issues like opposing “killing babies,” mandating masks or vaccines in a pandemic, or outlawing semi-automatic high capacity assault weapons.)

But allowing Trump to take power, especially with the now openly talked-about Project 2025, a blueprint for the establishment of autocracy in the US whose leader just yesterday warned of violence if “the left” tries to prevent its implementation, means that this really is an existential election.

Yes, I agree with you Ron that the threat of a nuclear WWIII is very real under the Democrats, whether it’s Biden or some other neoliberal Democratic candidate. But while that is a threat and a real danger which could result from a Democratic win in November, the prospect of an end to the not insignificant freedoms and limited democracy that we still have in the US in the event of a Trump second term has become almost a certainty, in my opinion.

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Dave, Yes the right-wing is better prepared for armed struggle, and its racist-fascist fraction (Republican and Democrat) is always prepared to kill, especially black people. Yet, Democrats play along, sometimes in the same fashion, other times a bit less violently.

I remind you, and TCBH readers, that when Martin Luther King, Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC), NAACP, CORE, Malcolm X, Black Panthers and Black Power groups were struggling in a myriad of ways to achieve, at least, equal civil rights and voting rights, DEMOCRATS were the main enemy, especially in the south where the main battles were fought.

In 1964, I was jailed the day after Goodman-Chaney-Schwerner were kidnapped, tortured and murdered. The cops held me (and a colleague civil rights worker) in a police car while they talked with civilian KKKers about what to do with us. Fortunately, we were only jailed, and released a day later when civil rights lawyers got us released.

Who were Mississippi’s government officials then: Democrat Paul Johnson governor; Democrat Senators John Stennis and James Eastland, buddies of Joe Biden when he became a senator a decade later. His main mentor was another Democrat “Hitler Angel” Averell Harriman, as I wrote above.

(OK, Dave, it was also Democrat LBJ who signed the two civil rights acts AFTER our mass movements demanded such, and while he was murdering millions of Southeast Asians, he hoped for some “peace” at home, which “We” did not allow him.)

Eastland told the Senate, and the MSM picked it up, that the entire Mississippi Freedom Summer voting campaign was run by the Communist Party. His proof was that I was one of 1,000 black and white volunteer campaigners. Out of them, only one other was a member of the CP, my roommate. In fact, the Communist Party did not support our campaign, which I know personally. It was tied to the most conservative of civil rights groups, NAACP, and the Democratic Party. What did those comprises lead to?

Dave, I think your good nature makes you wish for the best without great numbers of people getting hurt. That would be good if it could be. How many Ukrainians and Russians has the current Democrat government killed? One million? How many tens of thousands Palestinians? How many other thousands in Africa’s wars imposed upon them by the U.S,, and millions more dying of unnecessary poverty—40 nations suffering under DEMOCRAT economic sanctions?

I repeat: both parties have always been and always will be War Parties, American Exceptionalist/Manifest Destiny/Monroe Doctrine parties.

George Kennan, one of Democrat Truman’s Cold War warriors, warned Wall Street and its Pentagon that the U.S. would face dangerous competition subsequent to WWII since it only had 6.3% of the world’s population yet 50% of the world’s wealth. Swans Commentary: Context And Accuracy: George F. Kennan's Famous "Quotation," by Gilles d'Aymery - ga192; and George Kennan urged American leadership and patience to counter the Soviets. Instead, the Cold War ensued (theconversation.com)

As early as 1948, Kennan advised not to mess with Ukraine. “No Russian government would ever accept Ukrainian independence. Foreseeing a deadlocked struggle between Moscow and Kyiv, Kennan made detailed suggestions at the time about how Washington should deal with a conflict that pitted an independent Ukraine against Russia. He returned to this subject half a century later. Kennan, then in his 90s, cautioned that the eastward expansion of NATO would doom democracy in Russia and ignite another Cold War.” George Kennan’s Warning on Ukraine | Foreign Affairs

George W. Bush agreed with Kennan when he promised his “comrade” Mikhail Gorbachev, in 1989-90, that the U.S. would not move NATO east of Germany. Nevertheless, as I have written above, Democrat Bill Clinton ignored that essential agreement for world peace.

Today, the U.S. has just half the world’s wealth it had in 1945 (estimates vary from 24-30%) with only 4.2% of the world’s population. China is “catching up” with 16% of global wealth for its 1.45 billion population, 20% of the world’s population. That leaves 60% for Global South, Europe, Russia plus. Russia, with 140 million people (1.5% of global population), has just 1% of world’s economy. Visualizing the U.S. Share of the Global Economy Over Time (visualcapitalist.com) and

List of countries by total wealth - Wikipedia.

Despite its wealth, Wall Street’s two parties keep 11% of its population in poverty. Guess what, both parties keep far more non-white people in poverty, and in jails-prisons, than whites. Economy of the United States - Wikipedia

Even the most ruthless warrior of all US presidents, Harry Truman—who without “necessity” murdered Japanese civilians with atomic bombs, created the Cold War with Winston Churchill, the CIA and then NATO—had second thoughts towards the end of his life.

“I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in forty-seven if I had known it would become the American Gestapo”. Truman told his biographer he made a mistake creating the CIA. Even President Truman Regretted Forming The CIA – The Millennium Report and TOP 25 QUOTES BY HARRY S. TRUMAN (of 382) | A-Z Quotes (azquotes.com)

Before that admission, just one month after the CIA murdered President John Kennedy, Truman wrote in the CIA’s favorite newspaper, the Washington Post, “I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency.” Truman's True Warning Against the CIA (consortiumnews.com) This is by Ray McGovern, former CIA advisor to Ronald Reagan.

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Ron you do a great service by making clear that the US, is the root cause of most of the conflicts in the world, including the threat of a nuclear war. People should read you deeply researched and infuriating book on the topic, "The Russian Peace Threat" (https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/09/02/dave-lindorff-reviews-ron-ridenours-the-russian-peace-threat/).

That said, the problem is that the left in the US is no longer the kind of movement that you recall in the '60s or the '70s.

Look what the French left did to combat their fascist threat. They actualy united despite deacdes of feuding and arguing over different perspectives on issues as profound as what is socialism?, Who is the enemy?, can deals be made with capitalist parties>? and they appear to have triumphed at least for a year against the radical right. I can't even imagine that happing in the small sectarian US left. Likely this is because the French left is rooted in the working class and French organized labor. In the the US left has no such roots. a centurry of red-baiting and incredible propaganda against socialism has poisooned that well.

What's needed i a concerted effort over years, not just during an election campaign, to develop a socialist movement built on working people and their labor organizations.

But at the moment e=we have what i believe is an existential crisis. We have a Republican embedded fascist movement that could actually take over the US fr=ederal government and all the reins of power. What is to be done indeed!

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Thanks for brining in my most important book, "The Russian Peace Threat."

I think we have covered a lot of the issues, probably enough for now.

Hope TCBH readers get something out of this.

Abrazos,

Ron

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I forgot to add that your review of my book was superb. I hope readers at least read your review.

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Dave, you speak facts, and the truth that Trump will do what you say if he can and that will hurt lots of people. So is it, too, with the War Party in power. Some might get hurt more under Trump. Yes, no real change through struggle can be without losses of lives, injuries, jailings. So is it with America the Great, not like the non-violent Russian Revolution of 7 days with a handful of deaths.

If you don't vote for the Dems then your only choice is one of the small "We" parties.

At the same time join in to create the movement required. We have done it before. Let's do it again.

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Ron, you are corret that there always will always be losses and even deaths in a revolutionary struggle. My concern is that there without a strong mass movement already in place, which we have not had in the US rising of Black people in the late 50s and early '60s and the anti-war movement in the late '60s and early ;70s, -- and there is nothing like those movements at this time, the fascist program of which Donald Trump is the leader, allied with significant elements of the Republican Party could at this point have most of the elements of repression needed to crush whatever resistance manages to come together to resist. It could easily become like the rise of Hitler and the Nazis or Chile with the coup by Pinochet. The problem in rhe US is that the Right has been preparing for this moment for decades, working to tqke over state governments in order to be able to gerrymander districts and then take over Congress, taking over the Supreme Court, and then ultimately putting a fascist leader in power. The Democrats, not a popular movement or Party, ignored all this and focused on cozying up to the rich capitalists, buying their way into the top reaches of the federal government even as the ground beneath their feat was being eroded away. If Trump wins the presidency and both houses of Congress he will control all the levers of state power -- the Congress, the courts, the federal and state police, the militqry and an armed populace of half the country. It cold be that a left popular movement could arise in such a situation, but it would take time, a lot of oppression, deaths and immiseration, with no guarantee it would succeed. Look how long it took for Chileans to shake off the effects of the coup that killed Marxiat Presidente Salvador Allende Gossens,, Hitler rose to power in 1932 inspite of large Commnist and large Socialist parties, but they were crushed once he became Chancellor and were never able to stop him. Only his foolish decision to try to conquer the Soviet Soviet Unlion led to his ultimate failure. ayou are right tht 'We: did it in the Civil Rights/Black Power era, "We" did it in the Anti-war Movement, and "we" did it in the Women's Liberation movement, but the oppowition was never monolithic and in command of all the levers of state power as Trump would likely be in a second term. Boting for a few small left parties or candidates won't have any impact. It would just be a personal "feel good" action, I'm afraid.

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I am sad reading this because I realise how difficult it is to maintain awareness, let alone momentum, across the generations. I am old enough to understand the struggles you are writing about. But people younger than me will have no clue. It's like our memory is reset every couple of generations. Probably because of the constant propaganda, the constant editing of the past and the present.

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There is actually a conscious effort, especially driven by Koch Bros money and by Republican governments, notably in Florida and Texas, to erase US history that doesn'tt elevate white settler-colonial, manifest destiny mythology. It's not an accident that Americans believe World War 1 was fought to "defend democracy, that World War II was "won by the US," thqat the American Revolution was fought for freedom and democracy, that the Civil War was about states' rights, and that the US dropped two bnuclear bombs in three days time to "end World War II." Al;l those and many other myths are lies.

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