Thx for the research as to the expanded details of these events.
I was curious what Israeli personnel were doing/influencing contacts within Lebanon & Iran.
WWI and WWII pitted UK imperialism against up and coming Central and Eastern European players on the world-wide trading market. UK had ZERO interest in another player entering their monopoly of trade routes/trading partners.
What were key learnings from both wars, was that Britain (and the USA to some extent, eventually anyway) was always one or two steps ahead and agitations were simply put in play to bring the opposing forces to get drawn right into the 'spider's web' of already planned responses.
I see Israel 'constantly' baiting others towards conflict (October 7 was another classic) understanding that the response is ALREADY anticipated and they're prepared for it..................and Israel can always 'blame' the opposition as the aggressor and poor Israel is simply (once again) a victim.
It's almost biblical, as supposedly it was God who ousted the 12 tribes of Israel for being sinners (poor victims of human behavior) and banished them to suffer until they behaved according to God's demands. Their God would only allow them to return to their 'promised' land (that never happened by the way, but the UK/Balfour Declaration played God favorably for them) which allowed the poor stranded victims of Israel to return.
Palestine is orchestrated land theft once again, as was 1948 and 1967 (six day war).
I suspect if Israel can pull in Iran into a conflict (via Hezbollah or Lebanon) and 'win', then they can theft away more land(s) and charge for reparations (not unlike the fake Holocaust reparation of 6mm lost (disappeared) lives at $5,000 British lbs each.
The USA is 'carefully' looking the other way (for now) until they're needed to be pulled in as super-man to come save the poor victims of M.E. hatred. And the NYT is the perfect 'goon squad' to deliver up the message.
Thje only thing "biblical" abougt Israel's genoccidal war on the captive terrritory of Gaza is the scale of the destruction and deaths that is military has been wreaking.
In terms of the history, I think you will find that the creation of Israel, a dream of zionists in Europe, was really a way for Brtitain (an profoundly anti-semitic nation historically, backed by the post-war European nations, whih have also long histories of brutal anti-semitism, to get or their 'Jewish problem" by sending them all to Palestine. Even Hitler had good relations with some zionist leaders before he hit on the idea of just killing Germany's and the rest of Europe's Jews.
The trouble was, Palestine was not vacant land when it was decided to make part of it a Jewish state. It was occupied for hundreds of years by Palestinians, mostly Arab, as well as some Cristians. It's in that respec much like the colonization of North America by white Europeans, who considered the whole expanse of the North American continent to be free for the taking, and the millions of indigenous people living there be damned.
Only point I would appreciate your expanded perspective is Hitler.
Did he play a role to aid Britain's ultimate agenda?
Some say he was a hired gun for Britain/empire.
I've read these well documented/sourced books that I invite you to consider and, as always, feedback is appreciated. As archived publications, read is free.
Having lived in Germany back in 1965-66 just two decades after the war ended and while German memories of the Nazizeit were still vivid. I heard from my high school teachers in Darmstadt --all of whom lived through it -- what it was like to see the Jews of that city being rounded up, herded in winter weather into fenced schoolyards (including the very school I attended) and left in the open under freezing rain including babies and small children and then taken away in trucks eventually. As my German literature teacher, who had been a teenager during the war and walked past one of those assembly points repeatedly, told us, “Don’t let your parents try to tell you they didn’t know the Jews were being exterminated. Nobody who was being treated like those fellow Darmstaedters were treated was going to come out of it alive. “. Questioning the reality of the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of Romani people and countless Communists and disabled people is not just ignorance but outrageous. And actually, while six million people sounds like a lot to have been murdered, put it in the context of the total number who died during WWII, which was a staggering 70-85 million, "only" 20 million of whom were military personnel. The rest were civiilians.
I offered you two readings with ‘first hand’ references and sources. You’ve offered a 2nd hand perspective from a HS School Teacher. Again, with all due respect, a valuable piece of information.
Did what your HS Teacher says actually happen?
The word ‘extermination’ has more than one definition (other than murdered purposefully in a gas chamber) including expulsion through emigration.
From “Did 6mm Actually Die”:
l. GERMAN POLICY TOWARDS THE JEWS PRIOR TO THE WAR
Rightly or wrongly, the Germany of Adolf Hitler considered the Jews to be a disloyal and avaricious element within the national community, as well as a force of decadence in Germany's cultural life. This was held to be particularly unhealthy since, during the Weimar period, the Jews had risen to a position of remarkable strength and influence in the nation, particularly in law, finance and the mass media, even though they constituted only 5 per cent of the population. The fact that Karl Marx was a Jew and that Jews such as Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht were disproportionately prominent in the leadership of revolutionary movements in Germany, also tended to convince the Nazis of the powerful internationalist and Communist tendencies of the Jewish people themselves. It is no part of the discussion here to argue whether the German attitude to the Jews was right or not, or to judge whether its legislative measures against them were just or unjust. Our concern is simply with the fact that, believing of the Jews as they did, the Nazis' solution to the problem was to deprive them of their influence within the nation by various legislative acts, and most important of all, to encourage their emigration from the country altogether. By 1939, the great majority of German Jews had emigrated, all of them with a sizeable proportion of their assets. Never at any time had the Nazi leadership even contemplated a policy of genocide towards them.
Did 6 Million Really Die ?
l. GERMAN POLICY TOWARDS THE JEWS PRIOR TO THE WAR
Rightly or wrongly, the Germany of Adolf Hitler considered the Jews to be a disloyal and avaricious element within the national community, as well as a force of decadence in Germany's cultural life. This was held to be particularly unhealthy since, during the Weimar period, the Jews had risen to a position of remarkable strength and influence in the nation, particularly in law, finance and the mass media, even though they constituted only 5 per cent of the population. The fact that Karl Marx was a Jew and that Jews such as Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht were disproportionately prominent in the leadership of revolutionary movements in Germany, also tended to convince the Nazis of the powerful internationalist and Communist tendencies of the Jewish people themselves. It is no part of the discussion here to argue whether the German attitude to the Jews was right or not, or to judge whether its legislative measures against them were just or unjust. Our concern is simply with the fact that, believing of the Jews as they did, the Nazis' solution to the problem was to deprive them of their influence within the nation by various legislative acts, and most important of all, to encourage their emigration from the country altogether. By 1939, the great majority of German Jews had emigrated, all of them with a sizeable proportion of their assets. Never at any time had the Nazi leadership even contemplated a policy of genocide towards them.
JEWS CALLED EMIGRATION 'EXTERMINATION'
It is very significant, however, that certain Jews were quick to interpret these policies of internal discrimination as equivalent to extermination itself. A 1936 anti-German propaganda book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled Der Gelbe Fleck: Die Austrotung von 500,000 deutschen Juden (The Yellow Spot: The Extermination of 500,000 German Jews, Paris, 1936), presents a typical example. Despite its baselessness in fact, the annihilation ofthe Jews is discussed from the first pages - straightforward emigration being regarded as the physical "extermination" of German Jewry. The Nazi concentration camps for political prisoners are also seen as potential instruments of genocide, and special reference is made to the too Jews still detained in Dachau in 1936, of whom 60 had been there since 1933. A further example was the sensational book by the German-Jewish Communist, Hans Beimler, called Four Weeks in the Hands of Hitler's Hell-Hounds: The Nazi Murder Camp of Dachau, which was published in New York as early as 1933. Detained for his Marxist affiliations, he claimed that Dachau was a death camp, though by his own admission he was released after only a month there. The present regime in East Germany now issues a Hans Beimler Award for services to Communism. The fact that anti-Nazi genocide propaganda was being disseminated at this impossibly early date, therefore, by people biased on racial or political grounds, should suggest extreme caution to the independent-minded observer when approaching similar stories of the war period. The encouragement of Jewish emigration should not be confused with the purpose of concentration camps in pre-war Germany. These were used for the detention of political opponents and subversives - principally liberals, Social Democrats and Communists of all kinds, of whom a proportion were Jews such as Hans Beimler. Unlike the millions enslaved in the Soviet Union, the German concentration camp population was always small; Reitinger admits that between 1934 and 1938 it seldom exceeded 20,000 throughout the whole of Germany, and the number of Jews was never more than 3,000. ( The S.S.: Alibi of a Nation, London, 1956, p. 253).
ZIONIST POLICY STUDIED
The Nazi view of Jewish emigration was not limited to a negative policy of simple expulsion, but was formulated along the lines of modern Zionism. The founder of political Zionism in the 19th century, Theodore Herzl, in his work The Jewish State, had originally conceived of Madagascar as a national homeland for the Jews, and this possibility was seriously studied by theNazis. It had been a main plank of the National Socialist party platform before 1933 and was published by the party in pamphlet form. This stated that the revival of Israel as a Jewish state was much less acceptable since it would result in perpetual war and disruption in the Arab world, which has indeed been the case. The Germans were not original in proposing Jewish emigration to Madagascar; the Polish Government had already considered the scheme in respect of their own Jewish population, and in 1937 they sent the Michael Lepecki expedition to
JEWS CALLED EMIGRATION 'EXTERMINATION'
It is very significant, however, that certain Jews were quick to interpret these policies of internal discrimination as equivalent to extermination itself. A 1936 anti-German propaganda book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled Der Gelbe Fleck: Die Austrotung von 500,000 deutschen Juden (The Yellow Spot: The Extermination of 500,000 German Jews, Paris, 1936), presents a typical example. Despite its baselessness in fact, the annihilation ofthe Jews is discussed from the first pages - straightforward emigration being regarded as the physical "extermination" of German Jewry. The Nazi concentration camps for political prisoners are also seen as potential instruments of genocide, and special reference is made to the too Jews still detained in Dachau in 1936, of whom 60 had been there since 1933. A further example was the sensational book by the German-Jewish Communist, Hans Beimler, called Four Weeks in the Hands of Hitler's Hell-Hounds: The Nazi Murder Camp of Dachau, which was published in New York as early as 1933. Detained for his Marxist affiliations, he claimed that Dachau was a death camp, though by his own admission he was released after only a month there. The present regime in East Germany now issues a Hans Beimler Award for services to Communism. The fact that anti-Nazi genocide propaganda was being disseminated at this impossibly early date, therefore, by people biased on racial or political grounds, should suggest extreme caution to the independent-minded observer when approaching similar stories of the war period. The encouragement of Jewish emigration should not be confused with the purpose of concentration camps in pre-war Germany. These were used for the detention of political opponents and subversives - principally liberals, Social Democrats and Communists of all kinds, of whom a proportion were Jews such as Hans Beimler. Unlike the millions enslaved in the Soviet Union, the German concentration camp population was always small; Reitinger admits that between 1934 and 1938 it seldom exceeded 20,000 throughout the whole of Germany, and the number of Jews was never more than 3,000. ( The S.S.: Alibi of a Nation, London, 1956, p. 253).
The Nazi view of Jewish emigration was not limited to a negative policy of simple expulsion, but was formulated along the lines of modern Zionism. The founder of political Zionism in the 19th century, Theodore Herzl, in his work The Jewish State, had originally conceived of Madagascar as a national homeland for the Jews, and this possibility was seriously studied by theNazis. It had been a main plank of the National Socialist party platform before 1933 and was published by the party in pamphlet form. This stated that the revival of Israel as a Jewish state was much less acceptable since it would result in perpetual war and disruption in the Arab world, which has indeed been the case. The Germans were not original in proposing Jewish emigration to Madagascar; the Polish Government had already considered the scheme in respect of their own Jewish population, and in 1937 they sent the Michael Lepecki expedition to Madagascar, accompanied by Jewish representatives, to investigate the problems involved.
So, was the Hollocaust real? Absolutely.
We’re there ‘heinous’ military personnel that hated Jews? One can only assume that to be accurate, but was it ‘policy’ or individual acts?
Did Jews perish in Worker/Detainment/Concentration camps? But due to being gassed or due to disease(s), starvation, collapse of sanitation/potable water/etc. after the Allied Forces overwhelmed Germany (that includes Russia)? No doubt.
The ‘stacks’ of dead bodies were ‘depicted as those gassed to death, when in actuality, they were the ones that perished due to the reasons just listed above and due to the abundance, the crematoriums were overwhelmed (out of resources) and unable to provide a proper end of life.
All this is referenced in multiple writings and factually sourced/referenced, if one is only willing to consider something other than the propaganda that was spewed pre and post WWII.
It is true that in 1945, Allied propaganda did claim that all the concentration camps, particularly those in Germany itself, were "death camps", but not for long. On this question, the eminent American historian Harry Elmer Barnes wrote: "These camps were first presented as those in Germany, such as Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Dora, but it was soon demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps. Attention was then moved to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno, Jonowska, Tarnow, Ravensbriick, Mauthausen, Brezeznia and Birkenau, which does not exhaust the list that appears to have been extended as needed" (Rampart Journal ,Summer 1967). What had happened was that certain honest observers among the British and American occupation forces in Germany, while admitting that many inmates had died of disease and starvation in the final months of the war, had found no evidence after all of "gas chambers". As a result, eastern camps in the Russian zone of occupation such as Auschwitz and Treblinka gradually came to the fore as horrific centres of extermination (though no one was permitted to see them), and this tendency has lasted to the present day. Here in these camps it was all supposed to have happened, but with the Iron Curtain brought down firmly over them, no one has ever been able to verify such charges. The Communists claimed that four million people died at Auschwitz in gigantic gas chambers accommodating 2,000 people - and no one could argue to the contrary. What is the truth about so-called "gas chambers"? Stephen F. Pinter, who served as a lawyer for the United States War Department in the occupation forces in Germany and Austria for six years after the war, made the following statement in the widely read Catholic magazine Our Sunday Visitor, June 14th , 1959: "I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a U.S. Department Attorney, and can state that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. What was shown to visitors and sightseers there and erroneously described as a gas chamber was a crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any of the other concentration camps in Germany. We were told that there was a gas chamber at Auschwitz, but since that was in the Russian zone of occupation, we were not permitted to investigate since the Russians would not allow it. From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former immates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject." This tells a very different story from the customary propaganda. Pinter, of course, is very astute on the question of the crematory being represented as a gas chamber. This is a frequent ploy because no such thing as a gas chamber has ever been shown to exist in these camps, hence the deliberately misleading term a "gas oven", aimed at confusing a gas chamber with a crematorium. The latter, usually a single furnace and similar to the kind of thing employed today, were used quite simply for the cremation of those persons who had died from various natural causes within the camp, particularly infectious diseases. This fact was conclusively proved by the German archbishop, Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich. He informed the Americans that during the Allied air raids on Munich in September 1944, 30,000 people were killed. The archbishop requested the authorities at the time to cremate the bodies of the victims in the crematorium at Dachau. But he was told that, unfortunately, this plan could not be carried out; the crematorium, having only one furnace, was not able to cope with the bodies of the air raid victims. Clearly, therefore, it could not have coped with the 238,000 Jewish bodies which were allegedly cremated there. In order to do so, the crematorium would have to be kept going for 326 years without stopping and 530 tons of ashes would have been recovered.
The answer might be: Biden is in collusion with Netanyahu for an entire redevelopment of remaining Palestinian areas...especially Gaza with all its varied potential, according to the map the latter flaunted at the UN...showing no place for the Palestinian people. Money and political control mean more than religious beliefs or just sheer human decency. The US has never cared about the people in the Middle East...just power over resources and a market for American weaponry. This has always been the American way.
I don't buy Iinot such fancy and elaborate conspiracy theories. (Reality is bad enough!). The idea that Biden would be in on the scheming by the Israeli settler-colonial state to turn Gaza, emptied of Palestinians ezcept those working as janitors and house cleaners, into a Mediterranean Dubai goldfmine slonh with Trump's slumlord son-in-law Jared Kushner is absurd. ;The leaders of this country, Democratr and Republican, as dreadful, corupt and power-crazed as they are, are also human beings, believe it or not. They hare pride, they feel insults, they have political enemies, and want retribution. Yet what you are suggesting would require Biden to eat a huge reeking shit-pie in order to work in league with the likes of Trump and his son-in-law Kushner in return for financial gain. That is not remotefully believeable. But you are right that the US has never cared about the people of the Middle Est... just control over a owerful resource -- hydrocarbons.
Dave,
Thx for the research as to the expanded details of these events.
I was curious what Israeli personnel were doing/influencing contacts within Lebanon & Iran.
WWI and WWII pitted UK imperialism against up and coming Central and Eastern European players on the world-wide trading market. UK had ZERO interest in another player entering their monopoly of trade routes/trading partners.
What were key learnings from both wars, was that Britain (and the USA to some extent, eventually anyway) was always one or two steps ahead and agitations were simply put in play to bring the opposing forces to get drawn right into the 'spider's web' of already planned responses.
I see Israel 'constantly' baiting others towards conflict (October 7 was another classic) understanding that the response is ALREADY anticipated and they're prepared for it..................and Israel can always 'blame' the opposition as the aggressor and poor Israel is simply (once again) a victim.
It's almost biblical, as supposedly it was God who ousted the 12 tribes of Israel for being sinners (poor victims of human behavior) and banished them to suffer until they behaved according to God's demands. Their God would only allow them to return to their 'promised' land (that never happened by the way, but the UK/Balfour Declaration played God favorably for them) which allowed the poor stranded victims of Israel to return.
Palestine is orchestrated land theft once again, as was 1948 and 1967 (six day war).
I suspect if Israel can pull in Iran into a conflict (via Hezbollah or Lebanon) and 'win', then they can theft away more land(s) and charge for reparations (not unlike the fake Holocaust reparation of 6mm lost (disappeared) lives at $5,000 British lbs each.
The USA is 'carefully' looking the other way (for now) until they're needed to be pulled in as super-man to come save the poor victims of M.E. hatred. And the NYT is the perfect 'goon squad' to deliver up the message.
Your thoughts?
Best
Thje only thing "biblical" abougt Israel's genoccidal war on the captive terrritory of Gaza is the scale of the destruction and deaths that is military has been wreaking.
In terms of the history, I think you will find that the creation of Israel, a dream of zionists in Europe, was really a way for Brtitain (an profoundly anti-semitic nation historically, backed by the post-war European nations, whih have also long histories of brutal anti-semitism, to get or their 'Jewish problem" by sending them all to Palestine. Even Hitler had good relations with some zionist leaders before he hit on the idea of just killing Germany's and the rest of Europe's Jews.
The trouble was, Palestine was not vacant land when it was decided to make part of it a Jewish state. It was occupied for hundreds of years by Palestinians, mostly Arab, as well as some Cristians. It's in that respec much like the colonization of North America by white Europeans, who considered the whole expanse of the North American continent to be free for the taking, and the millions of indigenous people living there be damned.
Agreed and agreed.
Only point I would appreciate your expanded perspective is Hitler.
Did he play a role to aid Britain's ultimate agenda?
Some say he was a hired gun for Britain/empire.
I've read these well documented/sourced books that I invite you to consider and, as always, feedback is appreciated. As archived publications, read is free.
Conjuring Hitler
Guido Giacona Preparata
https://ia601705.us.archive.org/2/items/ConjuringHitler/ConjuringHitler.pdf
Did Six Million Really Die? by Richard E. Harwood
https://archive.org/details/harwoodeng/mode/1up
Having lived in Germany back in 1965-66 just two decades after the war ended and while German memories of the Nazizeit were still vivid. I heard from my high school teachers in Darmstadt --all of whom lived through it -- what it was like to see the Jews of that city being rounded up, herded in winter weather into fenced schoolyards (including the very school I attended) and left in the open under freezing rain including babies and small children and then taken away in trucks eventually. As my German literature teacher, who had been a teenager during the war and walked past one of those assembly points repeatedly, told us, “Don’t let your parents try to tell you they didn’t know the Jews were being exterminated. Nobody who was being treated like those fellow Darmstaedters were treated was going to come out of it alive. “. Questioning the reality of the deaths of six million Jews and hundreds of Romani people and countless Communists and disabled people is not just ignorance but outrageous. And actually, while six million people sounds like a lot to have been murdered, put it in the context of the total number who died during WWII, which was a staggering 70-85 million, "only" 20 million of whom were military personnel. The rest were civiilians.
Dave,
Great input and perspective.
I offered you two readings with ‘first hand’ references and sources. You’ve offered a 2nd hand perspective from a HS School Teacher. Again, with all due respect, a valuable piece of information.
Did what your HS Teacher says actually happen?
The word ‘extermination’ has more than one definition (other than murdered purposefully in a gas chamber) including expulsion through emigration.
From “Did 6mm Actually Die”:
l. GERMAN POLICY TOWARDS THE JEWS PRIOR TO THE WAR
Rightly or wrongly, the Germany of Adolf Hitler considered the Jews to be a disloyal and avaricious element within the national community, as well as a force of decadence in Germany's cultural life. This was held to be particularly unhealthy since, during the Weimar period, the Jews had risen to a position of remarkable strength and influence in the nation, particularly in law, finance and the mass media, even though they constituted only 5 per cent of the population. The fact that Karl Marx was a Jew and that Jews such as Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht were disproportionately prominent in the leadership of revolutionary movements in Germany, also tended to convince the Nazis of the powerful internationalist and Communist tendencies of the Jewish people themselves. It is no part of the discussion here to argue whether the German attitude to the Jews was right or not, or to judge whether its legislative measures against them were just or unjust. Our concern is simply with the fact that, believing of the Jews as they did, the Nazis' solution to the problem was to deprive them of their influence within the nation by various legislative acts, and most important of all, to encourage their emigration from the country altogether. By 1939, the great majority of German Jews had emigrated, all of them with a sizeable proportion of their assets. Never at any time had the Nazi leadership even contemplated a policy of genocide towards them.
Did 6 Million Really Die ?
l. GERMAN POLICY TOWARDS THE JEWS PRIOR TO THE WAR
Rightly or wrongly, the Germany of Adolf Hitler considered the Jews to be a disloyal and avaricious element within the national community, as well as a force of decadence in Germany's cultural life. This was held to be particularly unhealthy since, during the Weimar period, the Jews had risen to a position of remarkable strength and influence in the nation, particularly in law, finance and the mass media, even though they constituted only 5 per cent of the population. The fact that Karl Marx was a Jew and that Jews such as Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht were disproportionately prominent in the leadership of revolutionary movements in Germany, also tended to convince the Nazis of the powerful internationalist and Communist tendencies of the Jewish people themselves. It is no part of the discussion here to argue whether the German attitude to the Jews was right or not, or to judge whether its legislative measures against them were just or unjust. Our concern is simply with the fact that, believing of the Jews as they did, the Nazis' solution to the problem was to deprive them of their influence within the nation by various legislative acts, and most important of all, to encourage their emigration from the country altogether. By 1939, the great majority of German Jews had emigrated, all of them with a sizeable proportion of their assets. Never at any time had the Nazi leadership even contemplated a policy of genocide towards them.
JEWS CALLED EMIGRATION 'EXTERMINATION'
It is very significant, however, that certain Jews were quick to interpret these policies of internal discrimination as equivalent to extermination itself. A 1936 anti-German propaganda book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled Der Gelbe Fleck: Die Austrotung von 500,000 deutschen Juden (The Yellow Spot: The Extermination of 500,000 German Jews, Paris, 1936), presents a typical example. Despite its baselessness in fact, the annihilation ofthe Jews is discussed from the first pages - straightforward emigration being regarded as the physical "extermination" of German Jewry. The Nazi concentration camps for political prisoners are also seen as potential instruments of genocide, and special reference is made to the too Jews still detained in Dachau in 1936, of whom 60 had been there since 1933. A further example was the sensational book by the German-Jewish Communist, Hans Beimler, called Four Weeks in the Hands of Hitler's Hell-Hounds: The Nazi Murder Camp of Dachau, which was published in New York as early as 1933. Detained for his Marxist affiliations, he claimed that Dachau was a death camp, though by his own admission he was released after only a month there. The present regime in East Germany now issues a Hans Beimler Award for services to Communism. The fact that anti-Nazi genocide propaganda was being disseminated at this impossibly early date, therefore, by people biased on racial or political grounds, should suggest extreme caution to the independent-minded observer when approaching similar stories of the war period. The encouragement of Jewish emigration should not be confused with the purpose of concentration camps in pre-war Germany. These were used for the detention of political opponents and subversives - principally liberals, Social Democrats and Communists of all kinds, of whom a proportion were Jews such as Hans Beimler. Unlike the millions enslaved in the Soviet Union, the German concentration camp population was always small; Reitinger admits that between 1934 and 1938 it seldom exceeded 20,000 throughout the whole of Germany, and the number of Jews was never more than 3,000. ( The S.S.: Alibi of a Nation, London, 1956, p. 253).
ZIONIST POLICY STUDIED
The Nazi view of Jewish emigration was not limited to a negative policy of simple expulsion, but was formulated along the lines of modern Zionism. The founder of political Zionism in the 19th century, Theodore Herzl, in his work The Jewish State, had originally conceived of Madagascar as a national homeland for the Jews, and this possibility was seriously studied by theNazis. It had been a main plank of the National Socialist party platform before 1933 and was published by the party in pamphlet form. This stated that the revival of Israel as a Jewish state was much less acceptable since it would result in perpetual war and disruption in the Arab world, which has indeed been the case. The Germans were not original in proposing Jewish emigration to Madagascar; the Polish Government had already considered the scheme in respect of their own Jewish population, and in 1937 they sent the Michael Lepecki expedition to
JEWS CALLED EMIGRATION 'EXTERMINATION'
It is very significant, however, that certain Jews were quick to interpret these policies of internal discrimination as equivalent to extermination itself. A 1936 anti-German propaganda book by Leon Feuchtwanger and others entitled Der Gelbe Fleck: Die Austrotung von 500,000 deutschen Juden (The Yellow Spot: The Extermination of 500,000 German Jews, Paris, 1936), presents a typical example. Despite its baselessness in fact, the annihilation ofthe Jews is discussed from the first pages - straightforward emigration being regarded as the physical "extermination" of German Jewry. The Nazi concentration camps for political prisoners are also seen as potential instruments of genocide, and special reference is made to the too Jews still detained in Dachau in 1936, of whom 60 had been there since 1933. A further example was the sensational book by the German-Jewish Communist, Hans Beimler, called Four Weeks in the Hands of Hitler's Hell-Hounds: The Nazi Murder Camp of Dachau, which was published in New York as early as 1933. Detained for his Marxist affiliations, he claimed that Dachau was a death camp, though by his own admission he was released after only a month there. The present regime in East Germany now issues a Hans Beimler Award for services to Communism. The fact that anti-Nazi genocide propaganda was being disseminated at this impossibly early date, therefore, by people biased on racial or political grounds, should suggest extreme caution to the independent-minded observer when approaching similar stories of the war period. The encouragement of Jewish emigration should not be confused with the purpose of concentration camps in pre-war Germany. These were used for the detention of political opponents and subversives - principally liberals, Social Democrats and Communists of all kinds, of whom a proportion were Jews such as Hans Beimler. Unlike the millions enslaved in the Soviet Union, the German concentration camp population was always small; Reitinger admits that between 1934 and 1938 it seldom exceeded 20,000 throughout the whole of Germany, and the number of Jews was never more than 3,000. ( The S.S.: Alibi of a Nation, London, 1956, p. 253).
I’ll send one more comment in a separate post.
Thx again for the dialogue engagement.
Best
Continuing prior post:
ZIONIST POLICY STUDIED
The Nazi view of Jewish emigration was not limited to a negative policy of simple expulsion, but was formulated along the lines of modern Zionism. The founder of political Zionism in the 19th century, Theodore Herzl, in his work The Jewish State, had originally conceived of Madagascar as a national homeland for the Jews, and this possibility was seriously studied by theNazis. It had been a main plank of the National Socialist party platform before 1933 and was published by the party in pamphlet form. This stated that the revival of Israel as a Jewish state was much less acceptable since it would result in perpetual war and disruption in the Arab world, which has indeed been the case. The Germans were not original in proposing Jewish emigration to Madagascar; the Polish Government had already considered the scheme in respect of their own Jewish population, and in 1937 they sent the Michael Lepecki expedition to Madagascar, accompanied by Jewish representatives, to investigate the problems involved.
So, was the Hollocaust real? Absolutely.
We’re there ‘heinous’ military personnel that hated Jews? One can only assume that to be accurate, but was it ‘policy’ or individual acts?
Did Jews perish in Worker/Detainment/Concentration camps? But due to being gassed or due to disease(s), starvation, collapse of sanitation/potable water/etc. after the Allied Forces overwhelmed Germany (that includes Russia)? No doubt.
The ‘stacks’ of dead bodies were ‘depicted as those gassed to death, when in actuality, they were the ones that perished due to the reasons just listed above and due to the abundance, the crematoriums were overwhelmed (out of resources) and unable to provide a proper end of life.
All this is referenced in multiple writings and factually sourced/referenced, if one is only willing to consider something other than the propaganda that was spewed pre and post WWII.
To continue:
DEATH CAMPS' BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN
It is true that in 1945, Allied propaganda did claim that all the concentration camps, particularly those in Germany itself, were "death camps", but not for long. On this question, the eminent American historian Harry Elmer Barnes wrote: "These camps were first presented as those in Germany, such as Dachau, Belsen, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Dora, but it was soon demonstrated that there had been no systematic extermination in those camps. Attention was then moved to Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, Chelmno, Jonowska, Tarnow, Ravensbriick, Mauthausen, Brezeznia and Birkenau, which does not exhaust the list that appears to have been extended as needed" (Rampart Journal ,Summer 1967). What had happened was that certain honest observers among the British and American occupation forces in Germany, while admitting that many inmates had died of disease and starvation in the final months of the war, had found no evidence after all of "gas chambers". As a result, eastern camps in the Russian zone of occupation such as Auschwitz and Treblinka gradually came to the fore as horrific centres of extermination (though no one was permitted to see them), and this tendency has lasted to the present day. Here in these camps it was all supposed to have happened, but with the Iron Curtain brought down firmly over them, no one has ever been able to verify such charges. The Communists claimed that four million people died at Auschwitz in gigantic gas chambers accommodating 2,000 people - and no one could argue to the contrary. What is the truth about so-called "gas chambers"? Stephen F. Pinter, who served as a lawyer for the United States War Department in the occupation forces in Germany and Austria for six years after the war, made the following statement in the widely read Catholic magazine Our Sunday Visitor, June 14th , 1959: "I was in Dachau for 17 months after the war, as a U.S. Department Attorney, and can state that there was no gas chamber at Dachau. What was shown to visitors and sightseers there and erroneously described as a gas chamber was a crematory. Nor was there a gas chamber in any of the other concentration camps in Germany. We were told that there was a gas chamber at Auschwitz, but since that was in the Russian zone of occupation, we were not permitted to investigate since the Russians would not allow it. From what I was able to determine during six postwar years in Germany and Austria, there were a number of Jews killed, but the figure of a million was certainly never reached. I interviewed thousands of Jews, former immates of concentration camps in Germany and Austria, and consider myself as well qualified as any man on this subject." This tells a very different story from the customary propaganda. Pinter, of course, is very astute on the question of the crematory being represented as a gas chamber. This is a frequent ploy because no such thing as a gas chamber has ever been shown to exist in these camps, hence the deliberately misleading term a "gas oven", aimed at confusing a gas chamber with a crematorium. The latter, usually a single furnace and similar to the kind of thing employed today, were used quite simply for the cremation of those persons who had died from various natural causes within the camp, particularly infectious diseases. This fact was conclusively proved by the German archbishop, Cardinal Faulhaber of Munich. He informed the Americans that during the Allied air raids on Munich in September 1944, 30,000 people were killed. The archbishop requested the authorities at the time to cremate the bodies of the victims in the crematorium at Dachau. But he was told that, unfortunately, this plan could not be carried out; the crematorium, having only one furnace, was not able to cope with the bodies of the air raid victims. Clearly, therefore, it could not have coped with the 238,000 Jewish bodies which were allegedly cremated there. In order to do so, the crematorium would have to be kept going for 326 years without stopping and 530 tons of ashes would have been recovered.
The answer might be: Biden is in collusion with Netanyahu for an entire redevelopment of remaining Palestinian areas...especially Gaza with all its varied potential, according to the map the latter flaunted at the UN...showing no place for the Palestinian people. Money and political control mean more than religious beliefs or just sheer human decency. The US has never cared about the people in the Middle East...just power over resources and a market for American weaponry. This has always been the American way.
I don't buy Iinot such fancy and elaborate conspiracy theories. (Reality is bad enough!). The idea that Biden would be in on the scheming by the Israeli settler-colonial state to turn Gaza, emptied of Palestinians ezcept those working as janitors and house cleaners, into a Mediterranean Dubai goldfmine slonh with Trump's slumlord son-in-law Jared Kushner is absurd. ;The leaders of this country, Democratr and Republican, as dreadful, corupt and power-crazed as they are, are also human beings, believe it or not. They hare pride, they feel insults, they have political enemies, and want retribution. Yet what you are suggesting would require Biden to eat a huge reeking shit-pie in order to work in league with the likes of Trump and his son-in-law Kushner in return for financial gain. That is not remotefully believeable. But you are right that the US has never cared about the people of the Middle Est... just control over a owerful resource -- hydrocarbons.